As amazing as it may sound. it's true. a 47 year old
Dad posted on the SE board this post:
"I am a 47 year old man that has been lifting and useing on and
off for 26 years.I think Im fairly knowledgable about our sport.
What I dont know is how it will effect my 13 year old son. He's only
5' and 102 lbs.He started lifting a little when he was about seven
for a month or so per year. Now that he's 13 and playing football.
of course he needs and wants to be bigger. We have been hard at
lifting now for five months. He has lost about 16 lbs of fat and
gone from runing a 6.4 in the 40 to runing a 5.6 witch is very
good.but his strength has only improved so so [60 lbs on the bench
to 75]. Other kids on his team are about 5'6'' weight about 125 and
bench about 125. Even though he's smaller he still started at midle
linebacker. Now to my question does any one have any experience or
knowledge of some one his age doing cycles. will it harm him. will
it stunt his growth. Thanks for what answers I get.
Thank heavens this guy joined SE. otherwise who knows what he may
have advised his son to take. Below I have included a few of the
other posts in this thread to demonstrate once and for all to ALL
the young people who email us. and all the parents with kids at this
age EXACTLY what we at SE think about steroids and teenagers.
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"See what the desire to excel in sports is doing to people. It's
sad."
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What a scary post .... that would be criminal
Do not fuck up your sons life with the use of AAS at his age ...
in a nutshell ... yes it will harm him for the rest of his life.. he
is just now starting his own natural test production and to
introduce him to AAS now will most likely prevent him from ever
producing his own testosterone in the future and will effect all his
growth and all that. that implies ....
The best anabolic substance you can give him is FOOD ..
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That was a good way to upset us all...in this site we do not even
encourage people to who arent 21 to use AAS.....
Few things that i have to take of my chest as a pro-athlete my
self and working out since 10. Stop training your kid...It has to
have a nice childhood. I have been there and it is not nice trust
me...You are the role model for him and he wants to PLEASE YOU...
Deep inside he might dislike what he does and trust me when he
reaches 16-18 you wont be a happy father. Let your kid make his own
choice....I say that is good to make him run and do stuff as we want
him to develop nicely...Excel in sports????....have you asked him if
he likes the aspect of exceling in sports..he might like maths. or
literature....Every kid has to have a well-balanced education and
development...Do not try to force your kid to something that you
would love to do when you were younger nad never had the chance.
Know if you want your kid to grow you have to stop doing
weights..it is well known that weights do not allow kids to grow
taller....Chins are always a good way to grow taller :-)
If you are worried that your boy is under-developed you have to
go to a pedeatrician and let him run some test on him. They have
some special ratios that determine if someone has the normal
development at the present age.
I apologise if i was a bit harsh and i hope that i mad you look
things from another perspective...Try to look the world from your
kid's eyes not yours. We know that if he become a good athlete he
will have a wealthy life but remember that there are other options
too. Do not forget that in the top 100 richest people in earth i
count count the athletes in one my hand :-)
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"Dude ...do some research......the biggest side effect for youth
and steriods is that it will stunt his growth. it closes the growth
plates. i have read a lot about it on this site so do a search. I
would not recommend it AT ALL and i dont even know that much about
all this yet. I would recommend a high protein diet . increase cals.
continue working hard....and let time do its thing. I was one of the
little kids on the football team. I did well but the truth is in
High school i did get left behind on the football team cuz i didnt
have the size. In the end its cool tho cuz I still think I turned
out ok and it didnt make a shit if I played football or not.
Somethin to think about man....my dad use to tell me this all the
time(he lettered all 4 years of HS in several sports) ...Sports
arent as important as you think they are.....Education is where its
at. My dad went on and played college football but put his studies
first. Now all the "jocks" work for him. Keep it real with your kid
man!! What is it telling him if you are saying he is small? Is he a
small frame or a small person? I would rather be small framed and be
a BIG person...just a thought. Be safe dude cuz your kid isnt old
enough to make the right choice here and you need to do it for him.
Good Luck peace"
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One thing I really love about this site is the MORAL caliber of
the people here. It is good to see that everyone here sees that this
is just plain wrong. Steroids are for grownups. not kids. Health
wise he would be better off if you just started him on a fifth of
vodka every day. Come on. man. that is child abuse. Your kid needs
you to love him as he is. not how you want him to be. Plenty of time
to intoduce him to it later. when he is in his early twenties at
least. Mick Hart I think has some pictures of his son's results. but
he made damn sure his son had expert guidance (himself) and didn't
touch the shit until his endocrine system had matured--early
twenties. Look out for your son's best interests. long term. not
just high school football.
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13 holy shit! Man and i thought i would get crap when i came out
with my age(19). Now way would i ever advise that! Not at all. I
started lifing when I was 14 and I had worked my way up to 208
before I ever even thought about it. Let him eat as much as he can.
If he can't grow from food than AAS won't help him.
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"bulldoger.....we here at SE will NEVER ADVOCATE THE USE OF
STEROIDS BY CHILDREN now that being said....I'd also like to know
what the boy's mother thinks of this......you should have a serious
talk w/ your son's pediatrician regarding his weight
lifting.....your son should only be using his body weight and no
more so as not do damage his growth plates....or your son runs the
risk of remaining 5ft.......when you put on too much muscle at an
early age it tightens the tendons/ligaments thus not allowing the
growth plates room to move. so they there is no growth......
Your son at 13 he's just starting to go through puberty. boys go
through it at a later age then girls. and they have their major
growth in their later teens and early 20's.......girls are usually
done growing when they are 17/18 yrs of age where as boys are having
their largest growth spurt at that age.....
Your son's natural testosterone production will begin over the
next couple of years and you will see him putting on weight. growing
taller. and stronger....and it will continue.....I personally would
not recommend someone using steroids until they've exhausted all of
their natural potential and are past their peak around the age of
25/26......
Please use caution w/ what you are doing w/ your son's life....as
a Mother your post upset me greatly. as an Ex wife of a man who
pushed his son's to live his dream regarding sports I see it all too
often.....let your son grow up on his own. let him be a child.
sports should be for fun.....
Cutie
ps....Guys please I realize this post has upset you all but keep
your comments re spectful as always....*smile*
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My girlfriend asked me..."Babe. whats wrong?? Is everything ok?
Babe??"...Thats what she said as apparently my jaw hit the floor
while readig that initial post. ahhh helll..go head...Youll have the
badest 300 pound 5 foot nuthin 700 pound bench pressing kid in the
world...and then when his organs are shot at
18...well..yea....WOW!!!!!!!!!
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Why is it so important for your kid to excell at sports?
Is it for him? or is it for you?
You are suggesting that your kid start cheating and breaking the
law before he even has the basic tools to PLAY!!!
Notice the word PLAY....football is a game dude...
Don't ruin your kids chances for a normal life....the risks at
his age are huge...
If he makes the decision to use gear when he is 18 then it is his
decision....I don't think it is your place to play with your kids
future...
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It's simple NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read some posts on minimum ages. Not even in the early twenties
is it generally recommended. But certainly not at 13.
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Thanks for getting the attention off of me pal....
Go to your local GNC. I work at one and parents like yourself
come in day in and day out trying to beef their kids up. They ask
all the questions while the kid stays there silent not giving me any
input on what I could suggest. But if I would suggest anything it
would be protein. protein. protein. Maybe a weight gainer. And if
you search creatine. this is as natural and safe as protein. It will
help with strength and size. But really. are you out of your fucking
mind?
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The physical downside has been elaborated on and I think the
poiint made. What has not been addressed is the mental aspect of
giving a 13 year old boy hormones. Hormones that inarguably cause
changes in thought patters and processes. His are not even close to
being developed. The addition of the AS will alter. to his
detrement, his thought processess for the rest of his life. he will
never be the same child as he was the day before you give him the
drugs
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There are more posts but I hope this drives the point home.
Steroids are NOT for teenagers. Please be intelligent. Sports are
good BUT not that good.
Female New To
Steroids
Question
I am a 24 year old female who has been
training for almost a year. I have seen results but want more. I am
thinking about using Steroids but am very concerned about the side
effects and I don't have a clue as to what I should start off with.
I have heard about Primobolan and Nandrolone Deca. I have heard that
this is better for females due to less side effects. I want to be
cut. What can I use ? how do I use it? No needles/ oral please. Do
these side effects go away after you finish your cycle? how can I
avoid effects? What cycle should I
use?
Answer
In my opinion, there's only
three steroids women can use; Winstrol (Stanazolol), Anavar
(Oxandrolone), and Primobolan (Methenolone Acetate). If possible, I
would recommend you to start with Anavar, since it's the mildest
steroids with very few side effect. It's also easy to stop in case
you should experience any unwanted side effects.
You should start with a low dosage, and
then increase as the weeks go. Should you experience side effects,
either stop immediately or lower the dosage. The side effects I'm
talking about is deepening of voice, enlarged clitoris and masculin
facial changes. Other side effects like increased sex drive, acne
and water retention are acceptable because they will all disapear
after the cycle.
The best way to avoid side effects is to
stop using the drug, or lower the dosage. You can't take any other
drugs to prevent these side effects. If your voice and face should
become masculin, it will be permanent.
But before you start
using steroids, make sure you're cut up. Follow a strict diet with a
lot of aerobic training, and try the ECA stack. That's 25-50 mg
Ephedrine, 200 mg Caffeine and 200 mg Aspirin taken three times per
day for 6-8 weeks. This will burn away most of the fat, and
hopefully give you the body you want without using steroids at
all.
If you decide to use steroids, start with a cycle like
this:
Week 1: 5 mg Anavar per day
Week 2: 5 mg
Anavar per day
Week 3: 10 mg Anavar per day
Week
4: 10 mg Anavar per day
Week 5: 10 mg Anavar per
day
Week 6: 10 mg Anavar per day
Week 7: 10 mg
Anavar per day
Week 8: 10 mg Anavar per day
You
could use Winstrol instead of Anavar, but watch the side effects
carefully. If you should experience any of the side effects
mentioned above, stop immediately.
First Time Cycle for Hard
Gainer
Taken
directly from the Steroid-Encyclopaedia.com members
section...
First Time cycle choice
for hardgainer
I am a 5'9
161 lbs male , I am 26 years old, and I have 14% bodyfat. I am
looking to get some information on a cycle that i have researched
which is the combination of either Primotestion Depot or Omnidren
250 with Masteron or Equipoise. I am curious which combination will
give me the best results and what i might expect in gains with a
proper diet and 5 day routine when I train 1 body part with 8 sets
with 4 different exercises, I train Chest day 1 ,Back day 2,legs day
3,shoulders day 4, arms day 5, and i always train abs. I am looking
to see what the side effects from these steroids are and what I
should use to come off of these roids, I am looking to try a 6 week
cycle, or what whould you recommend for a safe 1st cycle , with the
most possible gains?
Answer
I think the
best drugs for you would be Primoteston and Equipoise. Stack them
for 8 weeks, and end the cycle with Clomid. This will give you great
gains both in strenght and size. Masteron isn't a drug for a
first-timer. It's also extremely expensive compared to other
steroids.
An 8 week cycle won't give
you any serious side effects. The ones you'll probably/might
experience is acne, water retention and bitch-tits
(gynecomastia).
You also have to make sure
you follow a proper diet. 60% of the calories should come from
carbs, 30% from protein and 10% from fat. Try to eat 5-6 meals per
day. You can use as many drugs you can, but without a good diet, you
won't gain any weigth.
This is the cycle I would
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